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fraizzze
Canada
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 Posted - 01/15/2006 : 6:55:11 PM
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I have a poll for all of you here. The answer can be YES or NO, and personnally i think the issue this question talks about is the only solution to solve the actual lebanese crisis :
DO YOU THINK SHIAS IN LEBANON CAN BE REPRESENTED IN THE GOVERNMENT BY MINISTERS OTHER THAN HEZBOLLAH AND AMAL ? |
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Pietro
Lebanon
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2006 : 7:00:45 PM
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fraizzze
Canada
58 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2006 : 9:10:54 PM
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but they form 40% of the population man...
explain urself... |
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Pietro
Lebanon
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 06:04:27 AM
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The government can as well be constituted exclusively of the majority in the parliament...happens with the best of the countries.
Lebanon’s problem is central, it is not Hizbollah which is the obstacle; it is the Chiites themselves. They don’t agree with the rest of the Lebanese about Lebanon’s identity – other minor disagreements will occur between the Christians and the rest in the future as well.
Such problems will never be fixed by a national union government, not even by laws or constitution…but by wars.
It is an unfortunate truth, Lebanon remains a state without a nation, and I foresee its partition and pray for it…so looking for a national union government is a dope thing to do. If the international agenda is 1559 and the majority agrees temporarily at least about his thing, I propose a one-party government, it will be more efficient.
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Shan
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2006 : 6:38:27 PM
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What the Shiites are doing is a sign of political immaturity. What happens if every time a sect's ministers don't like what the government decides on and stop taking part in the cabinet's meetings? We will have the same crisis from another sect.
If the Shiites are really interested in national unity, they should accept the decisions of the government and go along with it. They do not do that because of their continued allegiance to Syria and Iran not to Lebanon. This is the sad truth.
What Pietro writes is sadly true to an extent. It seems to me that most sects including Sunni Muslims, Druze and Christians put Lebanon first while that is not the case with the Shiites. They stand to loose support in funding and arms, as well as political support from outside. This is what Jamal Abed El Nassir used to call "3umalaa2 al isti3maar" -- in this case the Shiites are permitting themselves to be the puppets of Syria and Iran.
Unless national unity is translated into full and unequivocal allegiance to Lebanon first and foremost, the country has no future. The majority of the sects in Lebanon have grown civically during the last year except for the Shiites who continue to live in yesterday's mentality.
A simple response to fraizzze's question is, YES the Shiites in Lebanon can be represented by ministers outside Hizballa or Amal by someone who is willing to be part of the national unity and look after the common person's interest not political power.
If there is no Shiite who is willing to go against Hizballa and Amal, then majority in the government rules and sulking Shiite ministers can stay home. |
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Shan
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2006 : 6:39:35 PM
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What the Shiites are doing is a sign of political immaturity. What happens if every time a sect's ministers don't like what the government decides on and stop taking part in the cabinet's meetings? We will have the same crisis from another sect.
If the Shiites are really interested in national unity, they should accept the decisions of the government and go along with it. They do not do that because of their continued allegiance to Syria and Iran not to Lebanon. This is the sad truth.
What Pietro writes is sadly true to an extent. It seems to me that most sects including Sunni Muslims, Druze and Christians put Lebanon first while that is not the case with the Shiites. They stand to loose support in funding and arms, as well as political support from outside. This is what Jamal Abed El Nassir used to call "3umalaa2 al isti3maar" -- in this case the Shiites are permitting themselves to be the puppets of Syria and Iran.
Unless national unity is translated into full and unequivocal allegiance to Lebanon first and foremost, the country has no future. The majority of the sects in Lebanon have grown civically during the last year except for the Shiites who continue to live in yesterday's mentality.
A simple response to fraizzze's question is, YES the Shiites in Lebanon can be represented by ministers outside Hizballa or Amal by someone who is willing to be part of the national unity and look after the common person's interest not political power.
If there is no Shiite who is willing to go against Hizballa and Amal, then majority in the government rules and sulking Shiite ministers can stay home. |
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fraizzze
Canada
58 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2006 : 8:08:07 PM
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I appreciate your responses, shan and pietro !
I personnally think national dialogue, in 2006, have to be our principal preoccupation. We need to make sure we stay united - as much as possible - and meanwhile, we must heal the deep wounds of the shiits community. Education Education is the key. Public schools all across lebanon must have the same program, exactly the same courses, and history must be tought objectively. Religion has no place in our schools anymore. Christian prayers in the morning, or Coran readings have nothing to do in public schools, a place for education of global knoledge and civism. After that, equality. We all must pay electricity, water, and all resources we use. In the south, particularly neer Saida, people do not pay anything. It is unfair for other Lebanese. And politically speaking, i think Siniora is admirable by killing himself to make Hassan Nasrallah and Saad El Hariri and Walid Joumblatt and Samir Geagea and Michel Aoun entertain dialogue and debates. It is our only solution. And i think that other shias should propose to become ministers or create parties in their communities. Patriotic parties, not armed, and pro-soverighty and freedom . They must stop giving weapons to their people and teaching them to defend Palestine, Syria and Iran untill death. This is their main issue i guess... |
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Truth Squad
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 8:27:12 PM
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Originally posted by fraizzze
I appreciate your responses, shan and pietro !
I personnally think national dialogue, in 2006, have to be our principal preoccupation. We need to make sure we stay united - as much as possible - and meanwhile, we must heal the deep wounds of the shiits community. Education Education is the key. Public schools all across lebanon must have the same program, exactly the same courses, and history must be tought objectively. Religion has no place in our schools anymore. Christian prayers in the morning, or Coran readings have nothing to do in public schools, a place for education of global knoledge and civism. After that, equality. We all must pay electricity, water, and all resources we use. In the south, particularly neer Saida, people do not pay anything. It is unfair for other Lebanese. And politically speaking, i think Siniora is admirable by killing himself to make Hassan Nasrallah and Saad El Hariri and Walid Joumblatt and Samir Geagea and Michel Aoun entertain dialogue and debates. It is our only solution. And i think that other shias should propose to become ministers or create parties in their communities. Patriotic parties, not armed, and pro-soverighty and freedom . They must stop giving weapons to their people and teaching them to defend Palestine, Syria and Iran untill death. This is their main issue i guess...
AMEN. |
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Truth Squad
114 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 9:00:15 PM
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Update on recent developments that took place in the last 24 hours on the pro-Syrian front:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on a visit to regional ally Syria Friday (Jan 20, 2006), met with Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, who made a surprise visit to Damascus. Lebanese Speaker Nabih Berri also headed to Damascus for a meeting with the Iranian president, heading a delegation from the Amal Movement. The heads of the armed Palestinian groups in Lebanon also headed to Syria to meet with Ahmedinejad.
A statement following the meeting between Ahmadinejad and Berri said: "The president and the speaker spoke of the means to remain united in the face of looming dangers in the region, as well as the need to improve Lebanese-Syrian relations." Ahmadinejad also pledged support to militant Palestinian factions at a meeting with their leaders.
This reasserts the obvious regarding the allegiance of the Shiite leaders. The questions become then:
1) Is it worth opening a dialogue with these guys at all?
2) Are there any pro-Lebanon Shiites? If yes where are they?
3) Has the issue been moved from trying to bring the Shiite ministers back into the cabinet to trying to bring the whole Shias back to Lebanon? |
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fraizzze
Canada
58 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2006 : 11:35:12 AM
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Well... I dont know if we can make all Shias pro-Lebanese. But trust me, we shall continue our pacific mediation to make the MAJORITY of the Shias pro-Lebanon, and so they shall create their own political party and make hezbollah and amal fall.
I may seem machaivelic, but it is not my intentions : DIVIDE TO WIN.
By dividing the Shias between pro-leb and pro-iran, it will make the pro-ran much much weaker, and so the shias will become part of the majority who seeks peace in lebanon and reconciliation !
Thanks
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Pietro
Lebanon
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Posted - 01/24/2006 : 6:13:27 PM
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| I'm with you fraizzze, and a better electoral law will make the change next time. |
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ezdean
Lebanon
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Posted - 07/16/2006 : 02:42:28 AM
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A message to the Lebanese shiites from a fellow brother: Hezbollah is a curse, it is the worst curse that has plagued the shiites in Lebanon and al of Lebanon. We must distance ourselves from this this terror organization.
Do not be taken by the empty slogans of these blood thirsty mullahs and their rhetoric. Their actions have destroyed Lebanon time and again. |
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