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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
 Posted - 06/29/2005 : 07:14:23 AM
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Originally posted by Samir
Lebanon419: you speak for yourself.
You want to defend terrorists, do it in your own name. Hezbollah has nothing to do with Lebanon. It is a hate-charged group whose mission is to spread the Khomeini revolution. Nothing in its charter, its flag, or its motto says it is Lebanese. It is the antithesis for a modern secular society and must be disbanded.
If you feel so much for them, perhaps you should join them when they are rounded in Guantanamo with the rest of the terrorists from around the world. Certainly they do not speak for me and you do not speak for the Lebanese people.
Same can be said about liberating palestine. If you want to do it, go do it from inside. NOT FROM LEBANON and NOT IN MY NAME.
IF YOU WERE ATRUE LEBANESE, you realize that we have suffered enough in the name of your ... ARAB causes, in the name of Palestine and in the name of your resistance.
If it were not for the Palestinian arms, Lebanon would not have been destroyed in a 30 years war and occupation, if it were not for silly ARAFAT and his illusions and his armed resistance, Israel would not have invaded us. You just want to kill more Lebanese people. Go to hell, you and your Hezbollah and your resistance.
I hate to shatter your dream, but the majority of Lebanese are Arabs and (what this its worse - for you probably) Syrians too. Refer to your history books habibi, and you will realise that what I am saying is but facts. We are Arabs, and we will carry the Palestinian issue too. Unless of cores if you want to grant them citizenship in Lebanon, which I am also in favour of -increase the Islam population in Lebanon :) – I understand you have been feed by the American media. So habibi I tell you this my self, I am the Lebanese, I am the Arab, I am the Muslim. You’re the American wanabe? Go the America and see if the Americans accept you as so! In fact, they will merely regard you –yes you- as an arab terrorist! As for me, no habibi, I stay in Lebanon and chant my anthem :)
If it wasn’t for the Maronites who were dieing for power and fearing the Muslims in Lebanon will stand up and not accept being oppressed any more there wouldn’t have been a war. If it wasn’t for racist idiots like you, there wouldn’t have been a war. If it wasn’t for Christian traitors who helped Israel get into Beirut, there wouldn’t have been a war-Israel wouldn’t have invaded us. And please correct me if wrong, but its both the Christians and the Muslims were killing each others during the war. Disgustingly though, the Christians thought bullets shouldn’t be wasted on Lebanese Muslims, they instead slaughtered them. Who is the terrorist? Oh please!
And you know what; go to hell you and Arafat! You think I would stand up for a stinking pig like him??
Please please ya albi, I pity you enough, so next time you want to reply to me, read a book and fill your head, before you spill utter bull. Don’t live in illusions!
A note to everyone else on this forum, please don’t get offended, I don’t usually talk in this manner, however there are some people who need to hear things this way in order to wake up.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 07:21:20 AM
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Originally posted by Justice For All
Shou hamieh mnih elhay'a. Min we Min?
Lebanese Jew: interesting nickname! Have you noticed you are the only one in this forum with a religious connotation in their name! Why? Can't you just be Lebanese? or globalist? or pacifist?
I guess you meant to be provocative. It worked. Bravo!
Lebanon419: Why do you feel obliged to carry the palestinian cause? why not the kurdish cause in Iraq, Syria or Turkey? Why not the Armenian cause in Turkey? Why not the cause of the IRA? Why not the cause of Sudanese in Darfur? What is so special about the palestinian cause that you as a Lebanese (if you are a Lebanese) feel so compelled to fight for? Is it the borders? We do not have borders with Palestine anymore (by UN decree). So why bother? IS it because we Palestinians in Lebanon? Well we have Kurds and armenians in Lebanon too. We have Syriac and Assyrians displaced from Iraq too. Or is it just a religious affair for you? You hate the Jews Lebanon419, don't you? Are you an anti-semetic hiding as a Lebanese?
Samir: cool it down man. Lebanon419 has the right to think the way she (or he?) wishes and say whatever she wants. Use your head when talking politics not your heart. Tame your emotions and let your thoughts be uncluttered with the fervent passion to strike back. You make a good argument but you diminish its impact by getting emotional about it. Let the emotional ones perish in their ignorance, in the empty slogans of their masters and in their vicious wars. You my friend, use your head to be constructive, to build a better future.
Dana, Ref., Truth and Bullocks: Good points! Very poised and well-thought arguments. Kudos...
"Qui Pro Domina Justitia Sequitur"
I feel obliged to carry the Palestinian course along with the Iraqi, because I am Arab. I also feel obliged to carry Armenian cause because the Armenians have become our fellow citizens. I feel obliged to carry any cause for humanity. I am not anti-semitic. Wrong word habibi. Semitism is origins for Semite, i.e. belid il sheim. If I was anti-Semitic, it means I am anti-me! I am simply anti-Zionist. I have a lot of Jewish friend who are anti-Zionists too. And it could be a religious affair to me too, to see my holy sites being invaded. and I am 150% Lebanese, who trust me, uses her brians before emtions, essp in politics.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 07:23:24 AM
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Originally posted by Samir
Lebanon419: you speak for yourself.
You want to defend terrorists, do it in your own name. Hezbollah has nothing to do with Lebanon. It is a hate-charged group whose mission is to spread the Khomeini revolution. Nothing in its charter, its flag, or its motto says it is Lebanese. It is the antithesis for a modern secular society and must be disbanded.
If you feel so much for them, perhaps you should join them when they are rounded in Guantanamo with the rest of the terrorists from around the world. Certainly they do not speak for me and you do not speak for the Lebanese people.
Same can be said about liberating palestine. If you want to do it, go do it from inside. NOT FROM LEBANON and NOT IN MY NAME.
IF YOU WERE ATRUE LEBANESE, you realize that we have suffered enough in the name of your ... ARAB causes, in the name of Palestine and in the name of your resistance.
If it were not for the Palestinian arms, Lebanon would not have been destroyed in a 30 years war and occupation, if it were not for silly ARAFAT and his illusions and his armed resistance, Israel would not have invaded us. You just want to kill more Lebanese people. Go to hell, you and your Hezbollah and your resistance.
Samir please, it’s the likes like you who are driving Lebanon backwards. Yes I have mentioned that I do speak for my self when I judge ‘Lebanese Jew’, but everything else I said is merely facts. Hezbollah are not terrorists. Hezbollah liberated the south. (common Israeli admit this, let alone you stubborn uneducated head). Hezbollah have never launched an attack against any civilian, except Israeli soldiers (do feel free to prove me wrong with FACTS). Hezbollah were inspired by the Khomanyne revolution, yet Nasrallah has claimed that never will Lebanon become a shi3a state unless if over 90% of the population agree on so, which is practically impossible. So give that stupid claim up. In Islam there is ‘no ekrah fi il dein’ i.e. you cannot impose anything on anyone.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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Samir
Lebanon
33 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 11:13:40 AM
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To this hateful Hezbollah person who spits his ideology of hate in this forum, I repeat what I said earlier: go to hell. No one wants you, no one wants your ideology and no one wants your wars. Your way of thinking is outdated, 30 years late. When we were resisting and fighting to survive, you were sleeping with the ennemy. So do not come here and give me speeches on nationalism and patriotism.
My name is Samir Kantar.
I am the son of Fouad Kantar; my father, a martyr, was killed in the 1975-76 war, fighting alongside the PLO;
My uncle, Hussam Kantar was also killed in the real resistance against the Israeli invasion in Beirut in 1982.
I was picked up and beaten twice by the soldiers of the Syrian Arab Republic who were loitering in Beirut for 30 years: once during a raid they did on my university dorms looking for literature opposing the American attack on Iraq in Kuwait (1991) and once in a demonstration on the streets in Beirut.
This is my national profile and I am proud of it. I lived it all, wars, martyrdom, suffering and tears.
Where were you then? receiving $100/month from a terrorit organization to wear the veil and terrorize the citizenry? or hiding in a dungen in the UK on Hezbollah's payroll planning to attack a civilian landmark in Europe or the US?
So do not give me your pontificating speeches on nationalism and patriotism.
I come from a family who proudly gave the blood of its children when it was necessary to do so. When I extend a hand of peace to my fellow Lebanese Jew or even to my Israeli ennemy, I do it with all the rights I earned with blood and tears. You, on the other hand, hide behind a fake name, and proclaim a cause that is not yours. You can be very generous with the blood and lives of others spilled attacking the West, when you yourself hides in the West, lives off their peace and prosperity, and promotes yourself while enticing us, the true Lebanese, to kill ourselves in absurd wars. You want to fight your wars, go and fight them wherever you want, but NOT from Lebanon and NOT with Lebanese blood.
Enough blood, enough hate and enough war ideologies. |
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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 2:47:18 PM
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Originally posted by Samir
To this hateful Hezbollah person who spits his ideology of hate in this forum, I repeat what I said earlier: go to hell. No one wants you, no one wants your ideology and no one wants your wars. Your way of thinking is outdated, 30 years late. When we were resisting and fighting to survive, you were sleeping with the ennemy. So do not come here and give me speeches on nationalism and patriotism.
My name is Samir Kantar.
I am the son of Fouad Kantar; my father, a martyr, was killed in the 1975-76 war, fighting alongside the PLO;
My uncle, Hussam Kantar was also killed in the real resistance against the Israeli invasion in Beirut in 1982.
I was picked up and beaten twice by the soldiers of the Syrian Arab Republic who were loitering in Beirut for 30 years: once during a raid they did on my university dorms looking for literature opposing the American attack on Iraq in Kuwait (1991) and once in a demonstration on the streets in Beirut.
This is my national profile and I am proud of it. I lived it all, wars, martyrdom, suffering and tears.
Where were you then? receiving $100/month from a terrorit organization to wear the veil and terrorize the citizenry? or hiding in a dungen in the UK on Hezbollah's payroll planning to attack a civilian landmark in Europe or the US?
So do not give me your pontificating speeches on nationalism and patriotism.
I come from a family who proudly gave the blood of its children when it was necessary to do so. When I extend a hand of peace to my fellow Lebanese Jew or even to my Israeli ennemy, I do it with all the rights I earned with blood and tears. You, on the other hand, hide behind a fake name, and proclaim a cause that is not yours. You can be very generous with the blood and lives of others spilled attacking the West, when you yourself hides in the West, lives off their peace and prosperity, and promotes yourself while enticing us, the true Lebanese, to kill ourselves in absurd wars. You want to fight your wars, go and fight them wherever you want, but NOT from Lebanon and NOT with Lebanese blood.
Enough blood, enough hate and enough war ideologies.
Go to hell? What an educated (hateful?) thing to say! Who are you to say no one wants me? La2 shouf ya3ni shou asarit feye! enu gee daprasit! I don’t do anything for you ya albi, if I do anything, its for Lebanon.
I would like to highlight that there is a lot of people with my mentality in Lebanon. In fact, they are more than those like you. Therefore, telling us to go to hell, and that no one needs us isn’t the right way to deal with us. Gee what a peaceful person you seem to be?? La2 3anjad kamin you seem to love Lebanon so much, that you even show your love when your talking to fellow Lebanese. (Note the sarcasm; of which if I didn’t point out you would have gullibly believed that you are a loving person)
Stop being feed into the American/Zionist media! If Arabs allow to be brainwashed what have you left for the non-Arabs!
I was sleeping with what enemy? I am sure you got me mixed up, I am not a Phalangist. Or the Syrians? I am not a Maronite Christian who called them in! You claim to be a son of a martyr whilst you pay no respect to the martyrs (both Hezbollah and others) who fought to liberateLebanon. ya 3yieb il shoum. Go hide your face. You’re no son of a martyr.
What is a terrorist? Someone who terrorises civilians. Hezbollah have never launched an attack against any civilian even a Jewish one. In fact, they have never carried out any operation except on Lebanese occupied land. And of cores Nasrallah (alike ‘your family’) gave his son too for the sake of Lebanon. Thanks for the respect you show to him. Would you like me to show respect to your family the same way?? I bet not.
Btw, I live in Lebanon, I was born at the sounds of guns and missiles during the war. I am merely studying here. So don’t pretend you know off my history. And just because I am currently not in Lebanon, it makes me no less of a Lebanese than you. In fact if anything, it should make me more, that wherever I travel, still carry the burden of my country’s problems on my shoulders proudly.
Enough blood, true, when the Israelis and any other outsider forces, including the Syrians leave us in peace. Enough hate? Take your own advice. Enough war ideologies???? Not when I see Israeli air planes fly over my sky everyday. Not when they are still capturing Lebanese people in Sheba farms. Not when they are still steal my water from the Wazani. When you say enough war ideologies, shout out to them before you do to me.
With the utter respect you have shown for me and my views, I can only reply the same way. **** off you and your stubborn ignorant mentality. You do not love Lebanon. if you did, you would love every Lebanese soil, every Lebanese.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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Jean
Lebanon
50 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 3:26:35 PM
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Originally posted by lebanon419
I was sleeping with what enemy? I am sure you got me mixed up, I am not a Phalangist. Or the Syrians? I am not a Maronite Christian who called them in!
Did any Maronite Christian step on your tail to make you bark so loudly against Maronites. I have read your posts (here and in response to Sayyed Hassan's Disband Hizballh) and you seem like a racist SOB. No one has attacked your religious sect or faith. Criticism and attacks leveled at Hezbollah are not aimed on the shi3a or Islam. They are criticism of a militia/political party that happens to be a Shiite militia. So stop attacking other religious groups and sects.
If you ask me who the enemy is, I say you are the enemy. You are the enemy of tolerance, you are the enemy of progress, you are the enemy of peace, and you are the enemy of a civil society. Your words are charged with terror and hate against the Christians and against the Maronites. I am not here to defend any religious group but I will not tolerate hate speech being directed at any religious group either. You want to criticize the Kataeb; fine, do it. You want to criticize Bachir Gemayyel (whose slogan 10452 Sq.KM was adopted by Hassan Nasrallah 20 years late); fine, do it. But do not attack the Maronites. quote:
What is a terrorist? Someone who terrorises civilians.
A terrorist is someone with your mentality and your frame of mind. If you represent what Hezbollah stands for, then I and many other Lebanese have the right to fear you and fear your party as a terrorist organization.quote:
Enough blood, true, when the Israelis and any other outsider forces, including the Syrians leave us in peace
You are contradicting yourself. You said earlier you wanted to liberate Palestine and fight a dozen other wars. No true Lebanese accepts that Lebanon's sovereignty be violated by Israel or anyone else, but no true Lebanese will go to war for any non-Lebanese cause anymore. Yes we had enough. We will fight in self-defense but that's it.quote:
Enough hate? Take your own advice.
What do you call your ranting speeches about Christians and Maronites? Isn't that hate? It is the worse kind of hate: not hate of an individual or a political organization, but the hate of a religious group. Your hate is the likes of Nazi hate. Theirs was of every non-Nazi person, yours is of everyone who does not see things the way you do; directed at the Christians, and yes at the Jews and yes at the Sunnis and yes at the Druze and yes at the Shiites who do not agree with you. If I am mistaken in assessing you, I apologize. If I am not, you need to seek therapy. |
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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2005 : 4:54:30 PM
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Originally posted by lebanon419
[quote]Originally posted by Samir
Lebanon419: you speak for yourself.
A note to everyone else on this forum, please don’t get offended, I don’t usually talk in this manner, however there are some people who need to hear things this way in order to wake up.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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LebMan
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 10:11:10 AM
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lebanon419, Jean and Samir you have to watch out your language and the level of discussion you are using. This is a forum for democracy where people share their ideas and discuss them to narrow the gap separating them, and not to insult each other.
So consider this as a warning. In case this level of discussion continues, I will be forced to take action. |
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Reformist
20 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2005 : 01:19:48 AM
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I concur with LebMan, the level of sectarianism in this thread has reached ridiculous levels.
Please all of you, take a step back, and look at what you are all saying.
We are all part of Lebanon and we all must learn to share and live as equal Lebanese. From Akkar to Shebaa, it is all ours.
This thread was to discuss the status of Lebanese Jew in Lebanon. Personally, I find it a great paradox that this person is demanding to receive full rights of Lebanon, yet at the same time, maintains a sectarian "Jewish" identity next to her "Lebanese" identity (the nickname is proof of that). Such sectarianism is what we seek to root out of our people.
As for Hizballah, well if any Lebanese cares about Lebanon as a WHOLE, then it would consider Hizballah as a great resistance movement made up of Lebanese individuals who fought for their land. However, one must not deny that Hizballah is in itself a sectarian organisation. I ask a hypothetical question, if the Shiites lived in the North and the Sunnis in South Lebanon, would there even be a Hizballah? The Lebanese must get out of their sectarian, regional mentality. South Lebanon is not all of Lebanon, Mount Lebanon is not all of Lebanon. 10452km2 is all of Lebanon, and when all Lebanese feel patriotic about every inch of land in this country, then we can finally say that sectarianism is no more.
A Christian should be able to live in South Lebanon and a Muslim in Mount Lebanon and still feel at home.
Religion should not even be a problematic issue at all. I find it quite ironic that scores of Lebanese leave Lebanon to the West where there are 100 times more sects and ethnic groups! So why can we share our homes in the West with every race and religion on Earth and we find it so difficult to share our homes in Lebanon with a few religious and ethnic groups?!
Wake up and smell the coffee. As long as you maintain your sectarian attitudes, Lebanon will be walked on by every foreign power, and the Lebanese will know nothing but destruction and poverty.
Your Lebanese people are your brethren, not the French or Italian Catholics, or the Iranian Shiites, or the Saudi Sunnis. We are not living with French or Iranian people, we are living with Lebanese people. Do not ask for democracy when you cannot fathom a difference of lifestyle amongst your own people, because I can assure you if true democracy prevails in Lebanon, there will be more than just religious differences that will make up our culture and society.
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Lebanese Jew
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2005 : 10:24:33 AM
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Originally posted by Reformist
Personally, I find it a great paradox that this person is demanding to receive full rights of Lebanon, yet at the same time, maintains a sectarian "Jewish" identity next to her "Lebanese" identity (the nickname is proof of that).
Dear Reformist,
On the issue of my nickname, I would like to remind you that if my name were Maroun, you would have identified me immediately as a Maronite. If it were Nicholas you would have thought I were a Greek Orthodox, If it were Mohammad, you would have concluded that I am a Muslim probably a Sunni, and if it were Ali, you would have thought right away that I am a Shiite. Would you describe these names as sectarian names? Do you advocate that they not to be used?
In one of my early postings, I emphasized that I was made fully aware of my Judaism, when I decided to visit Lebanon last summer and I was advised by my friends (not all of them Jews) and my family not to go. I was told that many people would not wait to listen to what I represent or stand for but they would rush to judge me and reach their conclusions based on my religious identity and perhaps my last name, which happens to be a well-known Lebanese Jewish last name, for those who know Lebanon's history well.
As for sectarianism, I shun it.
As for the state of Israel, I find it to be the most regressive concept in modern politics, in as much as it is a state for the Jews. For me it is no different than Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or many of the other states who adopt a state religion, or favor one to the exclusion of others.
What I meant by my nickname was to extend to my Lebanese brothers and sisters of all sects a hand of peace from one of their Lebanese sisters who they may perceive as the ennemy because she happens to be born Jewish. I am not asking anyone to adopt my faith, but all I am asking you is to respect me regardless, as a human being first and for what I stand for second.
Can you overcome the fact that I am Jewish and deal with me as a fellow citizen? Even if you consider me the ennemy, try to listen to me. You do not seek to make peace with your friends, but with your ennemies.
My nickname was not meant to be provocative as someone earlier said, nor to highlight a sectarian affiliation (which in reality for me does not exist except in my family ties and my prayers) but a test for all to take.
I appreciate very much those who listened and asked me questions to know more about me and those who defended my rights and invited me in their homes. This is the image of Lebanon that I have in mind and this is what I will always carry with me. |
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dana
Canada
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 1:11:17 PM
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This particular topic, initiated by Lebanese Jew, was asking one simple question: “Now that Syria has left Lebanon, I ask if I as a Lebanese can go back to my grandfather's house in Beirut, live there, work and practice my civil rights as a citizen. I hope the answer would be yes.”
In reading all the posts again, I think to myself, what have we showcased to our sister, Lebanese Jew, who’s longing to go back and rediscover her roots? If she doesn’t feel 100% welcome just based on an online forum discussion between men and women, living mostly abroad I might add, then how much more welcome is she to feel in Lebanon? If she is feeling hesitant then I completely understand. With some of you quick to judge and drill her down with questions on which country, state, religious, etc. she identifies with…. whom would she side with in time of war…would she fight for the Lebanese cause…the Israeli cause…etc…. should have nothing to do with her ability to go back to Lebanon to live, work and practice her civil rights. She IS Lebanese, speaks Lebanese, loves Lebanon (and it shows), and most importantly is yearning to be a part of it just like her Grandfather once was.
So Lebanese Jew, just as some of the folks on this forum have shown through their kinds words and hospitable gestures, I hope you take that as a positive sign that the answer to your question should be YES, at least from this small group here. I personally always try to keep in mind that if some out there feel the way I do, then it gives me great hope for change to come. I can sense your positive attitude, in your closing remark, which is quite admirable: “This is the image of Lebanon that I have in mind and this is what I will always carry with me.”
Peace…
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lebanon419
United Kingdom
19 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2005 : 1:41:49 PM
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I would like to extend my apologies to all those who had been offended by my posts. As I mentioned earlier this is not my usual manner. However, it really gets to me when fellow Lebanese are easily brainwashed by the -heavily influenced by Zionist- media.
I don’t want go back to the same subject, yet let me just make one point clear; that Lebanon had tried all diplomatic means with Israel before seeking the military choice. Yet Israel, who had not paid any respect to UN resolutions at the time they are brought forward, left us with no other choice. Whether it’s Hezbollah or Hizib il Sheyo3e, or even independent martyrs, must all be respected.
Reformist mentioned that because Hezbollah is shei3a, it is not regarded as much of a National Resistance. You’re ignoring the fact that Hezbollah is not fighting for a cause for shi3as, they are fighting for Lebanon.
And those who claim I am merely attacking Christianity for no reason, making me out as though I am the only one here who is using religion to attack, I would like to highlight: isn’t labelling those who wear veils -by a fellow Lebanese – ‘a son of a martyr’- as terrorist racist??
And again my apologies to all who were offended by my posts. There are some Christians ebyen7ato 3ala il ras min fou2, and there are some Muslims ebyemasa7 il arid fehon. It’s not their religion; it’s who they are in person, and what they have offered humanity.
There will come a time where many will die,
When the ground will shake and the skies will cry.
But out of the darkness will rise a light,
A servant of Allah, full of wisdom and might. |
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Reformist
20 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 01:20:00 AM
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Dana,
This is where you're absolutely wrong.
Whilst Lebanon does not recognise Israel's right to exist, and there is a law against affiliating with Israel, no person with ties to Israel can reside in Lebanon.
I am not directing this at Lebanese Jew, but in general to any Lebanese who harbours favourable sentiments towards Israel. I don't imagine Antoine Lahd would be allowed to return under the current circumstances.
I don't suppose the US would have allowed Soviet agents to live in the US during the Cold War either.
Dana, yes you are right, there are civil liberties that need to be respected, but there are also a set of national interests and laws that need to be respected as well, and I have found throughout this discussion you have completely ignored the latter.
http://www.reformlebanon.com |
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dana
Canada
27 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 02:20:40 AM
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Reformist,
You say "any Lebanese who harbours favourable sentiments towards Israel" cannot reside in Lebanon. What does that have to do with Lebanese Jew? She is of Jewish faith, she's not Israeli. I believe she has made that point very clear. This is what I don't get. Why some of you keep coming back to this same discussion about Israel. Is there some kind of a conspiracy theory you want to let me in on?!!!
So how would you answer Lebanese Jew's question then? Can Lebanese Jews live and work in Lebanon and have civil rights just like everyone else?
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Jean
Lebanon
50 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 09:42:20 AM
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Reformist,
In politics there are no favorable or unfavorable sentiments. There are interests. Ho wdo you gauge a sentiment any way? If someone tells you he hates Israel but his work or policy are convergent with those of Israel, then this would be a favorite person?
I agree with Dana, you keep coming to this topic in the context of the rights of Lebanese Jews. It is not the proper context.
If you want to discuss the relations with the state of Israel, then open a new topic.
In here discuss the rights of minorities if you wish, or more specifically the rights of Lebanese Jews.
P.S. When the palestinians were threatening to take ove Lebanon as the alternative state (late 1970s - early 1980s), many Lebanese harbored favorable sentiments towards Israel and looked favorably upon the ejection of Arafat from Beirut. Do you lump them all in the enemy category and eject them from Lebanon as well? |
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